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Most of me by Gold-Seven Most of me by Gold-Seven
Maedhros and Maglor, after Maedhros' rescue from Thangorodrim. Maedhros is slowly coming to terms with being alive, and being maimed.

From J. R. R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, though this scene in question was sparked by my own fanfic: [link]

Why the sword? FŽanoreans don't send get well cards. They send get well swords.

Painted with Dr Martin's Liquid watercolours on Canson paper. Look! I can do green now! Even turquoise!
Detail shots here: [link]

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ereniongilgalad Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2014  New member
Noldor elves are athletic muscular at least!!!!!!
Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Edited Nov 18, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
You've made your point clear. Now I suggest you look at other people's artwork if you don't like mine.
ereniongilgalad Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  New member
Actually your art is pretty good!!! at least 10 times better than mine, I was just saying that you are illustrating Tolkien elves too skinny while they aren't and in the case of the Noldor It's actually the other way around.
Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
You'll find that I give different Elves different physiognomy; since I concentrate my art on the House of Finwe, I can hardly make them all look the same. Maedhros I imagine quite slender ("the Tall" makes me think of it - plus, in this case he's just been hanging from his right wrist for a couple of decades, and I can't see Morgoth feeding him well), and my Maglor is overall softer than, say, Fingolfin.
 The Drawing of the Sword by Gold-Seven  

Apart from that I'm firmly in the "strong but lithe" camp, and I know you disagree, but that won't change the way I see the Silmarillion Elves. If you look at how Tolkien himself drew Beleg, an Elf he described as exceptionally strong, you will hopefully see my point.…
ereniongilgalad Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  New member
Of course they have different physiology but their physiology is that of a strong/elegant men in general some stronger others more slender. In the case of Maedhros you again lack on Tolkien's lore since by his name (gave by his mother) "Maitimo" it means 'well-shaped one' of beautiful bodily form. I agree on the feeding part of course.
Strong but lithe means: of strong build but still flexible and graceful.
About the last part of your argument you first need to give me when that "Illustration for children" (where we can't even have the dimensions) was painted, because only in later notes he describes the Eldar as being strong and with similar appearance with Numenoreans.
For example: Beleg was first described as "light of girth", then in later notes "a man of great bulk and girth" - this was a direct comparison with men in general so by your argument if a man of great bulk and girth is like that paint imagine how it would be a normal man for Tolkien...(Tolkien never described him as "exceptionally strong elf" but rather as a strong MAN but still lithe for he was the best ranger of all times and elegant)
This is how Tolkien describe the Gnomes/Noldor in early writings respectively:
'Indeed the Gondolthlim were not bent of back as some of their unhappy kin became, labouring without rest and hammering for Melko, but small were they and slender and very lithe'.
"In general the Sindar appear to have very closely resembled the Exiles, being dark-haired, strong and tall, but lithe." - while the Sindar were still somewhat less in build ans stature than the Noldor.

In the end this is more of a matter of perspective but if you draw an Noldor prince like that, a fit men in general should be less in build.
Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Edited Nov 19, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
A lot of your own examples don't really support your own theses, actually, as Tolkien clearly had different concepts for the "gnomes" in the 1920s than he had for the Eldar in the 1960s (when the Maedhros quote was written), and he referred to Elves as "men" in his earlier writings but never in his later ones. It's a moot point which of his texts you reject, adopt, or try to accommodate. I have read them all but tend to treat them loosely.

The very reason that he is so contradictory on all matters of outward appearance rather clearly states that he was quite happy to let his readers imagine his characters in whatever way they pleased.

The only bottom line we can possibly draw here is: I like to imagine Elves one way,  and you like to imagine them in another. You can keep arguing if you want; as far as I'm concerned, all's been said.
ereniongilgalad Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  New member
No It isn't a moot point at all since I'm talking about LATE writings where he doesn't referred elves as men and Tolkien never actually did this so stop lying or come up with proof about this. The Gnomes were Noldor elves described as small, slender and very lithe(compared to men) while later he describes them as tall, strong but lithe.
Beleg was described as a man with great bulk and girth, while Tolkien definitely separated men from elves.
Tuor was the tallest guy in Gondolin while talking about the Gnomes, later on he wasn't taller than the guards or Ecthelion or Turgon.
Gnomes were man-high or smaller while later they are no less than 6'6" and in other notes about 7'.
That being said my examples support the way Tolkien view the Eldar in later notes, not in a literal way since his proportions may be different than mine but It's quite clear that the Eldar weren't supposed to be less in build in comparison to a regular fit men.
Tolkien not always was happy about appearance since he did in fact wrote notes to disagree how the Eldar were being illustrated (by Pauline), in this case about their height and that's why he wrote this: 'The Quendi were in origin a tall people. The Eldar (...) they were in general the stronger and taller members of the Elvish folk at that time. In Eldarin tradition it was said that even their women were seldom less than six feet in height; their full-grown elfmen no less than six and a half feet, while some of the great kings and leaders were taller.'

You can imagine Tolkien elves whatever way you want but keep in mind that they weren't slimmer than men nor smaller in general. One thing that you can say in your side is that you are painting Tolkien's early conception about elves or that your men(the way you illustrate them) in general aren't stronger than a Eldar. Both imagine the way they want but with Tolkien's passages that support that way, since we are painting his characters.
L-U-C-K-Y-Diamond Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I can only imagine Maglor love and devotion for his big brother, can I just add an undertone of guilt? 
LochNessDesigns Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2014
This is beautiful.  I love the brotherly care and love so obvious between them.  And seriously, "Fëanoreans don't send get well cards. They send get well swords."  Literally perfect. XD
Onyana Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Holy wow you have some crazy awesome skills. Cool composition too. I really love your colour choices.
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