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What's in a picture? by Gold-Seven What's in a picture? by Gold-Seven
What's in a picture? Loads of stuff. :D

Some thoughts on reference, copying, originality, etc: goldseven.wordpress.com/2013/0…

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Across the wild Alps by Gold-Seven 
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shinacira Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014
Your reference is friggin awsome <3 
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Eldr-Fire Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is so cool! Research is such an important part of creative pursuits, so it's cool to see them both together! This is a good idea, and one that has inspired me. :)
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Libra1010 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
 Ms. Dolfen, I must say that this might well be one of the most intriguing additions to your gallery and something of a personal favourite (I readily admit that getting an opportunity to glimpse the creative process leading into the creation of an image always feels like something of a treat to me!), not least by virtue of your use of a national sporting team as a source of inspiration for the sons of a certain civilisation!

 Might I be so bold as to ask if you use a similar technique when trying to work out the 'Look' of specific cultures or regions from Fantasy? (like Grand Maester George's Seven Kingdoms or the Houses of the Elf-Friends from Professor Tolkien's Silmarillion). 
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
The approach really is similar, and always has been similar, for anything I do. Of course, a realistic setting like the 3rd century BC calls for much more source studies and in-depth work with archaeological detail, but I usually work with historical sources for clothing, arms and armour. And I sometimes base characters on actual people, too. For elaborate backgrounds, I normally use photos as loose reference.
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Libra1010 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
 Out of curiosity, may I please ask if you also use sports teams as physical models for - say - what amount to the ethnic differences between the House of Beor, The House of Hador and the House of Haleth in Tolkien? (or between, say, The North and the West of Westeros).
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
No, for Tolkien, I use very few (if any) real-life models. That is because my mental images of Tolkien characters are much more idealised and stereotypical than my mental images for, say, Song of Ice and Fire characters or historical people. For years, decades, really, people have accused me of not being able to draw non-stereotypical people, and I kept telling them that with Tolkien, I wanted them to be this way. They never believed me, of course. ;) And now that I'm drawing Carthaginians, suddenly they want my pretty elves back. Life isn't fair. ;)
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Libra1010 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
 You're a mother twice over and STILL believe that life should be FAIR? (I salute your enduring powers of optimism!).Wink/Razz

 Concerning any rogues that challenge you over 'stereotypical' Tolkien characters, please by all means point out that they are ARCHETYPICAL characters as a counter-argument; they're supposed to be universally-recognisable types!Nod 

 For pity's sake do they expect elves to be UGLY? (well, to be fair Feanor and Eol and Curufin and Celegorm arguably ARE - but only on the inside, in those dark places the light of reason seldom touches upon).  
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
I like your "archtype vs stereotype" argument! I will be using it regularly henceforth! :)
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Libra1010 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
 You mean something I have typed up and set down actually makes SENSE?!?

 (Well that just goes to show that even a stopped clock can still be right twice every day).;) (Wink) 
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oOSulimeOo Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
Sehr interessante Zusammenstellung! Vor allem das Auftauchen des Schleich-Elefanten hat mich zum Schmunzeln gebracht. ^^
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Unique-Firecracker-4 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is so cool! Thanks so much!
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creativsis Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is brilliant! I'm so glad you took the time to explain where/how you get your references and gah! You are a brilliant artist!
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norriscarrejr Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
Heart Heart Points 
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Firnen99 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow thats very great! Funny that you actually used your kids for that ^_^
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Nest64 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist
So nice your kids did their own to help you xD 
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PivotShadow Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
Reading that artistic development page really made me think...
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TheHammster Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2014
Ha, that's great. I wish more artists would reveal their references. This is a great learning tool. Thanks
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Lonemtnwolf Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ha, love it! :D
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Stored-with-yew-bow Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
thats so cool :)
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haius Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Hobbyist
This is the real reason to have kids: free art models.  :D
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lamperouge0 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
Wow! You really do put a lot of thought into all of your drawings.
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Skogflickan Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
How interesting, thanks for sharing. :)
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Kilo60 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome work! I too try to use a lot of historical influence in my work. :clap: 
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mojojul Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist
You're an amazing artist and an amazing mom! I loved reading your writing :)
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Sigune Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Haha! It's great to see a breakdown of all the reference you need for one picture. This research is a necessity, but somehow you tend to forget all about it as soon as the picture is done. :D
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Of course, this one is an extreme example - but then, you could throw in hundreds of anatomy studies for every pic, not because I do them, but because they have gone into everything over the years... 
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amlugwen Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
Oooo fascinating stuff! :squee:
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Arlesienne Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
Very nice idea to put the resources together. My favourites are the kids and that elephant :D.
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SinisterVibe Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
So great of you to show how some of your pictures come to life!
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm glad you like it!
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Brisingr-Arget Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice.  Now I know what to look for next time I want to reference something.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
... Tunisian football teams? :D
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Brisingr-Arget Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahahah! Maybe...
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Tindome-Art Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
What a delight to see! I, too, frequently use reference or inspiration, and I've gotten over my initial thoughts of "I shouldn't have to do this" because damn that, I want to do the best I can and it helps me get better. Thanks for this lovely collage ^-^

And on a related note, a toy elephant, that is genius, to get the right look of the thing!
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes, I love those! Schleich does excellent models - they're extremely accurate.
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algorithmguy Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
OMG thanks for this, I always wondered how people did it XD
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shoughad Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:laughing: Ich schreibe meine Geschichten auf ähnliche Art und Weise. Recherche ist das A&O und nichts ist schlimmer als eine Mittelalterszene, in der die Magd Kartoffeln schält.
Wenn es Kampfszenen gibt, teste ich sie mit meinem Tai-Chi Lehrer auf "Machbarkeit" - manchmal eine recht schmerzhafte Angelegenheit ... :crazy:
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Das klingt ähnlich schmerzhaft wie mittelalterliche Kartoffeln. :D 

Ich muss auch sagen, die Kartoffeln haben mich in Mittelerde sogar empfindlich gestört. ;)
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shoughad Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nun ja, zumindest hatten meine "Machbarkeitsstudien" zu Folge, dass es in meinen Geschichten nur wenige Kämpfe gibt. ;)
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Ro-heryn Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
Die Kartoffeln gingen, nachdem ich das Silmarillion gelesen habe, auch wenn ich mich noch frage, welcher Teil der Noldor die Kartoffeln im Gepäck hatte, als er den Weg in den Osten angetreten hat...
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
:rofl:

Fingon strikes me as the potato type of guy. :D
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Ro-heryn Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014
XD Well he is... mad enough (but that seems to run in the family)
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Toradh Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Das ist großartig :D.
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FreddieCat Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love this :)
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Schizo-Of-Destiny Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
This is so great! Thank you for sharing this, it's really motivating! =D
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irishsea Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
That's really interesting! :)
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lady-cybercat Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Having people to help with poses is so awesome!
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
If only children weren't so weirdly proportioned. (Especially mine.)
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lady-cybercat Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
*chuckles!*
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LeahPlainAndTallish Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love seeing how great works come together like this. :D
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