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Journal Entry: Fri Apr 15, 2011, 2:12 AM


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Brisingr-Arget Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the info! I really like you art and I think I would like to ask for commissions in the future from you. I would like to see how you would portray my characters. Sadly, I would have to wait until I have more moneybefore asking. You would have me broke with a single commission.
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Waschpulver Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011
Diese "Dumping-Preise", wie ihr sie nennt, sind in anderen Ländern viel Geld. Und hier auf dA sind nunmal eine ganze Menge Leute aus anderen Ländern, in denen man nicht, wie in Deutschland üblich, 11, 12, 13 Euro Stundenlohn bei einer normalen Arbeit verdient, sondern auch mal 2 Euro Stundenlohn. Internet gibt's trotzdem dort, und wenn jemand für ein Bild, für das er vielleicht zwei, drei Stunden braucht, 40 USD bekommt, ist das für den schon ein wahnsinniger Gewinn. Bevor man also über Dumping-Preise motzt, auch mal in diese Richtung denken. Immerhin sind wir hier im Internet, und nicht in Deutschland. ;)

Dass Deine Preise für Deutschland vollkommen angemessen sind, ist klar, Deutschland ist kein günstiges Land. Dass andere Leute niedrigere Preise haben, weil der Verdienst, die Lebenserhaltungskosten und alles weitere sehr niedrig ist, ist für mich aber genau so klar. Jemand aus der Volksrepublik China könnte ungefähr ein halbes Jahr lang von ein paar hundert Euro leben. Ich kann von Glück reden, dass es mir egal sein kann, welchen Preis ich letztendlich für etwas bezahle, aber andere haben eben nicht das Glück. Und wenn ich mir ein 14-jähriges Kind vorstelle, was unbedingt ein Bild von seinem Charakter xyz haben will, kann ich mir schon vorstellen, wieso es lieber $15 von seinem Taschengeld anstatt 1000 Mark für ein Bild ausgibt. Aber ich schätze mal, solche Leute gehören dann ohnehin nicht zu deiner Zielgruppe. ;)

Auf jeden Fall viel Glück, dass Du viele Aufträge bekommst, beachtenswert sind Deine Bilder allemal.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Das stimmt natürlich - mein Problem sind einerseits Leute, die nicht grade in Niedriglohnländern leben und aus einem Gefühl falscher Bescheidenheit heraus weniger Geld verlangen, als ich nem Babysitter zahle (komischerweise sind das meist Frauen), und die Auftraggeber, die ebenfalls nicht aus Billiglohnländern kommen, die diese Preise auf dA aber so gewöhnt sind, dass ihnen gar nicht klar ist, was es heißt, seinen Lebensunterhalt mit Zeichnen zu bestreiten.

Wobei es übertrieben ist zu sagen, dass diese Leute ein "Problem" für mich sind. ;) Es ist nur so, dass vielen nicht bewusst ist, was Artwork - und Arbeitszeit - wert ist.
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Seeshi-suin Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Student Artist
I wish I wasn't so poor! I would love to have a commish from you. Especially since I am rereading the Silmarillion right now :/
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Aw, I'm sorry!
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IoanTristan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2011
Ich find's ehrlich gesagt auch sehr teuer. Klar, dass es sehr viel Arbeit ist und dass Du es ernst nimmst. Außerdem gehen bei den Preisen sicher nicht so viele Impuls-Anfragen ein, wie bei niedrigeren wahrscheinlich der Fall wäre. Aber 500€ aufwärts verlang ich zB für Acrylbilder auf Leinwand mit 1,20x1 m Maß... Für ein Blatt Papier würd ich das nicht bezahlen.
Anyways, ich bin mir sicher, Du findest Käufer! ;) Ich wünsche dir viel Erfolg! Glg aus Österreich
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Das ist für mich weniger eine Frage des Mediums als des Arbeitsaufwandes - ich gehe von einem im Illustrationsbereich üblichen Stundenlohn zwischen 30 und 50 Euro aus.
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IoanTristan Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2011
Naja, kenn da die üblichen Stundenlöhne nicht. Ja, Du weißt eh wie es ist... Manche machen nur zwei, drei Striche darauf und verlangen ein paar hunder Euro... Bei Dir weiß man wenigstens, wofür man bezahlt. Wenns da wirklich solche Stundenlöhne gibt, wechsel ich vlt auch in die Branche! :P
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Das Problem ist natürlich *heftigstes* Preisdumping im Netz (woran vermutlich dA nicht ganz unschuldig ist). Sogar viele Verlage arbeiten mittlerweile für Hungerlöhne, für die die derart aufwändiges Artwork verlangen (sechsmal geändert, selbstverständlich, und dann gibt's nicht mal ein Belegexemplar), dass ich in der RPG-Branche schon seit Jahren nichts mehr gemacht habe. Dann mach ich schon lieber was gratis für die Mephisto... und Privataufträge. Mit denen hat man vor allem fast nie Stress.
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SeekHim Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
How much is 70 Euros in U.S. dollars?
I'm very tempted by the way; I have a certain Vala that I would love to see done! ;)
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Xe.com says it's nearly exactly $100 at the moment. The exchange rates do *not* favour anything out of Europe, I'm sorry to say.

Which Vala would it be? ^^
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SeekHim Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Mandos. :)
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Ooooh, interesting. I've never really assigned that one a face. My last drawings of him were just a lot of billowing cloak and hood.
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SeekHim Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Last drawings! Quick put them up! :)

In regards to a face, Namo is one of the Aratar; the eight greatest
of the Valar (Manwë, Varda, Ulmo, Aulë, Yavanna, Mandos, Nienna and Oromë)
The Aratar were said to be greater in majesty and beauty than the other Vala.
So Namo certainly wouldn't be ugly.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
We're talking... mid-nineties here. ;P

I have to confess, I don't see Mandos to be any kind of conventionally good-looking. Majestic, yes. But not beautiful in any real sense of the word. I see him as cold, impassive, and more often than not, hiding his face. When I drew him, it was either a still, cloaked figure from behind, or, where he needed to be more dramatic, like in the Prophecy of the North) with his cloak billowing around him and his hood hiding much of his face.
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SeekHim Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I think of him as a stern judge at times; but he is also a guardian of souls.
The purpose of his halls is to serve as a place of instruction and healing.
And I don't think a person who is completley cold and impassive would be
of much help in that regard. Also he's married (To Vaire) so there must be
more to him than just coldness! :)
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Hmmm... I'm not fully convinced. ;) Valar marriages wouldn't necessarily be like mortal marriages. :D
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GuadaLucero Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011
Someday I WILL have a lot of money and I promise I will make a huge commision... probably an enormous portrait of the whole Weasley family at the table having dinner, wich I'll conveniently place right in front of my own dining table. So I'll have dinner with the Weasleys.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Whoa. That would give me a workout. Not because of all the Weasleys - but because of the *table*! That means *perspective*! :D
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GuadaLucero Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011
Well... challenges are said to be what makes life interesting aren't they? ;)... And the table would be inside of a kitchen with the windows and furniture.... what would mean *more* perspective... mwahahahaha...
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
So I'd probably have to charge for the nine models, the nine chairs, and the table I'd have to hire for a good ref shot. :D
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GuadaLucero Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011
Don't worry, I plan to be super super rich.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Sounds like a great idea. :D
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ZeeKayArt Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2011
i don't even know what people would be like if you told them paintings that are in galleries and museums are worth millions of dollars. really.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, none of them said it was *too expensive* - just that they couldn't afford it. So I actually think the car dealer analogy is more fitting - if you're not planning to buy a new car, then of course you're not going to buy a new car! ;)
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ZeeKayArt Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2011
Haha, yes of course! It just always irks me when people don't know the real value of art :/
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GuadaLucero Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2011
The real value of art? Surely you mean the one that can't be represented with numbers? ;)
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wizardelfgirl Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2011
Well, sometimes it's not that people don't know the value of art, but that they have to put other things first. The different currency exchanges and varying costs of living in each country complicate things. One of Goldseven's comissions is indeed worth 50 Euros, but the equivalent of this amount in our currency is also what someone in my country would earn in 2 weeks with minimum wage. Art is a luxury we all crave but not all can afford, unfortunately.
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ZeeKayArt Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2011
This is true as well :)!
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Spellatio Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2011
finally someone offering commissions at reasonable costs. I'm sick of people treating art like we're at walmart.
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Gold-Seven Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Yep. Problem is dA is something like a commission's Walmart...
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storm-nightie Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no way I can afford that!:cries:
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Eulchen Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
O_O That's more then I earn in a month currently... No way I can pay for that :bawl:
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Linka-Neo Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Aw I can't afford to commision you but I'm excited to see what you do do. I think you ought to watch the BBC's new Sherlock, and draw Sherlock and Watson, because they're awesome. Just saying. =D
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Hailfall Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
Wow.. too bad that it is a little expensive (but obviously worth it) otherwise i'd jump all over it xD
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