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Teenagers in the US - help?

Journal Entry: Fri Jun 3, 2011, 12:24 AM
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OMG, over a hundred replies? :faint: Thank you all so much for your input. It'll take me a while to get through all you've written, but it's all so very much appreciated! The general tenor seems to be "it depends", with a lot of you feeling that what's being portrayed is cliché - but the sort of cliché that happens quite often anyway.

The funny thing about your replies is that so many of you are not in the cliché category because we all here, for the most part, are/have been the guys and girls sitting way away from the hubbub with a Fantasy book in their hands or a drawing pad on their lap. ;)

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Hey guys, I'd love some input, mainly from those of you who live in the US and are still at school, or have gone to school until very recently. ;)

I'm currently reading "Thirteen Reasons Why" by Jay Asher with my Year Nine. [link] It was the students' idea and thus far, it's pretty good to work with in class. Now I had one boy posing a question that I honestly couldn't answer, and that's where I hope you come in.

Brief synopsis, although I hope some of you might know it: A High School student named Clay is sent a shoebox full of audiotapes. There's no address, and when he starts listening, he realises that they were recorded by Hannah Baker, a classmate who killed herself two weeks previously. On thirteen sides of the tapes, she addresses the thirteen people who were responsible for her suicide, through those sorts of little actions that all teenagers do, never think about, and which, accumulated, drove Hannah to swallowing pills.

Now this student of mine said that he didn't like the book because it was too cliché. Teenagers being concerned mostly with initiating, avoiding, bragging about, or having sex, parties, working on their breakdown cars and sitting in diners. (To clarify, it was *not* the suicide theme he thought was handled in a stereotypical way, but the way in which everyday life of U. S. teenagers was being portrayed.)

I could neither say yes nor no, because my image of America, obviously, was obtained in the same way as most of the world's image of America: Through Hollywood. If you take that as a basis, the book definitely fits in with all those teenie romance movies that I never watched because I always felt having seen one was enough to know them all. How accurate is that image? The most useful answers would be from those who've actually read the book and know the nuances, which of course I can't bring across in the short synopsis here.

In Germany, I've always felt that teenagers think they have to live up to what Hollywood tells them to be like. The girls think unless they look like the cheerleaders in the soaps, they're fat and ugly. They all think if you haven't had sex before the age of fifteen, there's something seriously wrong with you. I know it wasn't that bad when I was a teenager, though that was about twenty years ago (and the Hollywoodesque expectations of life were there, but they were so incredibly far removed from my own reality that dreaming about Hannibal or Legolas was *way* more realistic). The dating didn't really begin until you were sixteen or seventeen, and then the ones who *were* seen dating (and who were usually very much in-your-face about it) were quickly termed the class's more undesirable members. And if anything beyond kissing happened before you were seventeen or so, we would have been scandalised if we'd found out. I *was* scandalised when I saw, in Year Ten, that one (!) of my classmates wore make-up. Okay, it was the eighties. Being dressed in neon-coloured potato sacks and too-short, bleached, baggy jeans probably didn't help there. :D Today, the eleven-year old girls dress in things that I didn't dare to touch before I was twenty-five, and wear make-up from Year Eight onwards.

So, what's it like at US schools? Does "Thirteen Reasons Why" portray the reality? (Quite apart from the fact, by the way, that the plot of the book is highly contrived and unlikely to happen like this; still makes for a great read.)


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:icongold-seven:
=Gold-Seven Jun 4, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Oh yes, prom dresses! That custom is coming over here - through Hollywood, I have no doubt. Girls in my school do an awful lot of preening for the graduation celebration. I remember when my mother dragged me through several shops in 1994, trying to get me to wear a skirt at least. She failed. She finally had to settle for me choosing a dark green pair or trousers that were not jeans and a T-Shirt that was slightly more classy than the cheap ones I usually wore. :giggle: I gave her so much grief in my nonconformist days.
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:iconcalamarithesquid:
I have read the book and liked parts of it but hated others for essentially the same reason as your critical thinker. Also, I'm a 20 year old from the West Coast, so I'm coming from a very different culture than the kids in conservative backgrounds.

There is a huge emphasis in some high school groups on dating. Not so much on sexuality, that I've seen, but if you want to be someone, you need to be dating. Of course, there are also kids (like me and pretty much all of my friends) who don't want to date for the sake of dating and steer entirely clear of it.

The average age of first sexual intercourse in the US was 14 last I heard, so obviously there are a lot of kids who lose their virginity in high school. That said, I think a lot of YA books hype up the amount of pressure put on teenagers/the amount of sex they have. Sure, there will be the kids who sleep with a different person every week. Sure, there are people obsessed with how far everyone has gone and with who, but I feel like they aren't in the majority. Most of the people I know didn't really become interested in experimenting with their sexuality until they entered college (and were pretty far away from their parents). Although, once again, I tended to gravitate toward the group that wasn't obsessed with sexuality and dating.

As for bullying, yes, it happens. I've been bullied. If you stand out, you're stomped down unless you fight back.

Self-abuse and eating disorders happen far too often. They tend to be more prevalent in people who do some kind of performance art (I took dance and we had mandatory nutrition classes because our teacher did not want us to be anorexic) or athletics. Self-abuse isn't always physical, though, and I think it's much more common to be in an emotionally abusive relationship (whether with a friend or a significant other) than to be cutting one's self. In that sense, the book does get it right.

So those are my two cents. Once again, I'm kind of a member of a fringe group and hang out with members of that fringe group so my experiences are probably not representative of the whole.
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:icongold-seven:
=Gold-Seven Jun 4, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you for your input! It reads pretty much as I expected. :)
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:iconmickeythewicked:
The people I hang out with are so influenced by the internet, that television and movie media hardly makes a dent in our perceptions of ourselves. We embrace the nerdy, the absurd, and the obnoxious thanks to internet memes and jokes. We're very open minded to things like sex and towards people who express their individuality, which I think is fantastic. It may be because I hang with the nerdy crowd, but even though we're accepting of all sorts of people, whether they are familiar with sex, or have never done it, we're never pressured to do anything we don't want. The people I know are open-minded, yet reasonable, and the only people who are ostracized by us are those who don't accept others for who they are as individuals, or cause unnecessary conflict. We also have an insane sense of humor, probably thanks to the internet. In short, the kids in my school are the exact opposite of those on TV.
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:icongold-seven:
=Gold-Seven Jun 3, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
"The people I hang out with are so influenced by the internet, that television and movie media hardly makes a dent in our perceptions of ourselves. We embrace the nerdy, the absurd, and the obnoxious thanks to internet memes and jokes."

Wow, thank you for this bit of insight - I'd never realised that the focus has shifted so much in places.

Sounds like a fun way to grow up. I was born twenty years late, it seems. :D We had to look for far obscurer places for our brand of nerdiness.
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~Zzombieluv Jun 3, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
I didn't like that book. It did turn out kid of sterotypical, and I didn't like how the girl blamed all those people for her suicide. Ultimately, it was her decision.

But, anyway.... In America, everyone is unique. The group of people I hang around don't talk about sex or drugs unless we are joking about them. That doesn't mean we don't think about it, but we don't center our lives around it.

But, people are very obsessed with finding a boyfriend/girlfriend. If you don't have one, you are considered unattractive or weird. Even my friends want someone to date. I really don't like that idea.

And another thing is religion. I live in the center of the bible belt. People ask me what kind of church I go to, and when I say I don't go to church, they look at me like I'm crazy. I've had people shun me because I didn't go to THIER church, even though I was a Christian. They thought that the more they were around me, the closer they would get to hell.

I've also read studies that in America, social status is a high value compared to other countries. If you are an introvert, it is considered unhealthy, when it is actually a normal thing to be.

The good thing about America is that is a melting pot of the world. We have all sorts and types of people here with different values and cultures, and a lot of us accept those people. When it comes down to it, every person is different and has different priorities. For instance, some of us view acedemics as a priority, while for others it is religion.
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:icongold-seven:
=Gold-Seven Jun 4, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Interesting, thank you!
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:iconstarrelly:
omg i picked up that book before, but i didn't get to finish it, i sort of want to read it now!
i am a teen in the us, EVERYONE wears make up duhh (except like a couple of girls!) nearly EVERYONE know's a fellow student who'se had sex, drugs or drank alcohol. me and my friends literally had a conversation where i found out all of them had drank alcohol except me! hahaha, dood, and everyone's been dating since i guess 6th grade, people literally make out in the halls. when you're not talking about school, its about what boy you have a crush on or plan on kissing or dating or where to go
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=Gold-Seven Jun 4, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
:D Thanks!
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:iconsepulchral-roses:
~Sepulchral-Roses Jun 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, your despcription of your own teenage years is so far removed from now... but the boy in your class is absolutely right - most times, in these books, teenagers are portrayed the way adults see them. Specifically, adults who haven't been teens for a while. I'm just barely seventeen now, about to graduate school, and I can say that what you say the teens in that book are like is not true.

My school is pretty much like an average one (lol, frankly it reminds me a little of High School Musical, though the similarities end with our school colors and the fact that the artsy, musical kids turn up afterschool and play in the hallways or cafeteria. And they're unique, but definitely not hated.). There are cliques, yes, but they're more like big friend circles. The "popular kids" are hard to place - it all depends on who's looking. We have different levels of classes, and depending on your level (I mean honors, regular, AP - college level - class levels), you may or may not see everyone else. So we've got a few different sets of popular kids, which doesn't really make any of them THE popular kids.

And overall, at my school and as far as I can tell, sex, drugs, parties, cars, and STUFF aren't really what makes someone cool. I mean, it's a little strange if you're seventeen and never been in a relationship, but no one calls you out on it. And relationship isn't equated with sex. Actually, the ones who DO have sex are pretty much dubbed as sluts or whores, excuse my language. Drugs...well, you don't really hear about it too much. It happens, but doesn't affect people too much. And drinking, well yeah. That's done. And parties - well, people do go to them, but if you don't, you're not kicked out of all social circles or anything. And that stuff doesn't really affect things in school, much.

I mean, my perception is a little skewed. I'm in the AP (college level) classes, so most of the people I see and associate with are generally pretty intelligent and don't make a whole lot of life-changingly stupid decisions. And I'm kind of the nerdy one - you know, that girl who everyone thinks is ridiculously brilliant because she's somehow made that reputation for herself in the past (and it doesn't matter to people if it's still true or not.) The one who writes for fun and tends to stay on the right side of the law, generally follows the rules unless they're silly or useless ones. That girl. But I'm not ostracized or anything of the sort at all. If I were in a Hollywood movie, I guess i would be ostracized and such, but it doesn't really work that way in real life.
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